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E3 2018: Cyberpunk 2077 Still a PS4 Game, Says Dev, After Rumours of PS5 Release




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@rjejr Its still a console too. People will buy if it delivers on games and a competitive performance in multi-platform titles. You will have those that will buy Sony regardless because its 'MS', but its still a 'console'.

So you may get an 'enhanced' console every 3/4yrs that, unlike PCs, is a fixed spec and a locked system. The console that is 6/7yrs old by this point is phased (no different from what Sony will do) but unlike Sony, the 3/4 yr old enhanced becomes the 'cheap' base unit giving customers a cheap way to play the new games at a 'decent' standard, whilst the new, expensive (as 'new' consoles are) offers a significant step up. Its not like the old days where games went from 2D to 3D and the old consoles couldn't do 3D - its now more about having the performance to cope with size and ambition of the game. The 'next' big thing is likely to be Ray Tracing but that's likely to be a 'few' years before that becomes standard - its not just Consoles but also PC GPU's that would need to support this. HD may well be coming to an end - like SD did - so the main difference between this and next gen consoles is likely to be 'power' to deliver games at higher visual and frame rate rather than a 'fundamental' change like adding 3D graphics. The X already offers next gen features like VRR, Atmos, 4k...

When I say 'phased' out, that doesn't mean that as soon as the 'next' console arrives, the weakest is obsolete. Some games will still release that run on it but those that can't, don't. It could be a couple of years before its not able to play all the AAA releases releasing but by then its no different from any other 8yr old console. MS may just stop making it a few years before then and the X is the 'cheapest' console but unlike the Pro, will get a few more years out of it. If MS encouraged people to buy an X, they would be annoyed if it only lasts a few years - especially if its capable of playing the games that are releasing.

I really don't see it being as complicated as PC's - having a lot of different components releasing every year - Lots of different GPU's etc and knowing where your set-up fits with the minimum/recommended specs. This is 1 console, 1 'fixed' set of hardware.

If MS though want to amalgamate the PC and Console users into one 'online' community - like they seem to be doing, you can't have a console lasting 6-7yrs as the 'only' option. PC's have a power advantage at launch but that only increases over time so by year 5/6, the gap is ridiculous. A console every 3/4yrs keeps pace - even if its not the 'best' specs, its not the worst either. You want to be able to play Halo, Gears etc and be competitive...











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@BAMozzy Backwards compatibility is certainly a good reason to keep buying new Xboxen as they release. And Gamepass takes care of any games you don't yet own.

So that's people that are already owners upgrading. Not sure if other console gamers want to buy a console that MS treats like a PC with it's confusing names and games. But some might. Wii U owners who feel betrayed by Switch might. Sony has done a good job the past few years of not annoying anyone too much as far as I can tell so they may be harder to convince. I suppose MS could tap into the large PC gamer database and try to gt to move them to expensive consoles, that could work.

I will say this, whatever their plan. MS sure seems to be staying in the console business with it's 5 developer purchases announced at E3. You dont' buy 5 companies just to get out. I tough tif X1X didn't sell well they might throw in the twoel but they seem to be in it for the long haul.

Of course Sega seemed to be in it for the long haul when they replaced Saturn with Dreamcast and we all know how that turned out. Sometimes you are in it until you aren't. Though MS has pretty much bottomless pockets so they could have 8 Saturn and Dreamcast failures and still not run out of money.











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@rjejr What you maybe missing is that the alternative for the OG Xbox One owners would be to upgrade to the next box only - whether it gets a release on the X or not. Its not a case of them not getting something they should 'expect' just because its on X but not denying those on X from playing the games that the console is capable of playing anyway - not writing it off.

The games that won't be on the OG XB1 won't be on the OG XB1 regardless of whether they come to the X or not - they will still have to upgrade regardless BUT if they are on the X, the chances are the X will be a cheaper option and could still get games for another 3+ years. It means those who bought an X aren't 'forced' to upgrade just because the OG Xbox is so weak.

There is a MASSIVE reason for gamers to upgrade within the Xbox family - to keep your entire library and maybe have them run better too. Swapping to Sony just because your old and very dated OG XB1 won't get a game that it can't run but the X will be getting because it can run also means that all your Xbox games are completely redundant where as upgrading to an X or even the 'next' box would mean that only your console is obsolete.

If they want to go down the PC route, the same will occur - at some point your GPU and/or CPU will need to be replaced or you will miss out - despite the fact that the games will still be PC games. If you have a PC that matches the OG XB1 specs, then you will need to upgrade if you want to keep playing but those with an X spec PC won't need to necessarily upgrade for a few more years. You don't expect to own a 'weak' PC that will continue to run games indefinitely or buy a decent spec GPU and then it to suddenly be obsolete because the weaker 'family' can't run the games. By that I mean if you have a GTX750, you will need to upgrade before someone with a GTX1080Ti and you would be annoyed if you bought a 1080Ti and then find out you have to upgrade because the 750 can't play the games.

At the end of the day, a Console upgrade can be a LOT cheaper than buying a new GPU and/or CPU. The way I see it working is that each console gets say 3years as the 'enhanced console and then 3yrs as the base console so you could upgrade every 6-7yrs - you essentially have 1 phase as the 'best' then the second phase as the middle whilst the old base is phased out before becoming the base when you would normally be looking at the end of its life-cycle anyway. If you are more 'keen' to have the best, then you can upgrade every 3yrs or so to keep at the top - have the best visuals and frame rates.

Whether the X does get games that the OG XB1 doesn't or not, they would still have to upgrade anyway because that game will not run on an OG Xbox regardless but then its likely to 6yrs+ old by then in terms of specs. The X will be 4yrs younger so why should it be limited when its perfectly capable just to appease those that wouldn't get the game either way? Like I said, those that 'have' to upgrade, could upgrade to an X (some will certainly be traded in for the next box so will be cheaper), and get another 3/4yrs before they have to upgrade.

Its really selfish to expect those who bought an X to go without just because their weak console is to weak to play and ridiculous not to release games that can clearly run on the X to appease those too - especially as they would have to upgrade to play it anyway. It may upset a few of those on OG Xbox, but its not upsetting those with an X to know that their 'expensive' console with next gen features won't be held back by the weak console.

Like I said, with Game Pass, keeping your library going back 10yrs or more now and knowing that whatever console you buy, it will have a reasonable shelf life and not be 'held back' by the weakest, there is a lot of incentive to stick with MS (whether that's console or PC) if you have been with them a while.

EDIT:- Again this is my perception, reading between the lines, drawing up my own conclusion and speculating on what that could mean. They could of course stick with the traditional console format and 'upset' all those who bought an X by locking it to this generation - the console that they built for their hardcore, dedicated gamers. I think it makes more sense though to go the above route myself...











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How many games do you want? If you are not going to count CoD or Fifa, what about games like Rise of the Tomb Raider (360 and XB1), AC Black Flag, Dead or Alive 5, Battlefield Hardline, Lego games (Jurassic World, Marvel Avengers, Force Awakens for example), MotoGP 15, that awful Godzilla game, Telltale games like Tales from the Borderlands, Life is Strange, Madden 16, MLB16, MGSv, Destiny of course, Transformers: Devastation, TMNT Mutants in Manhattan, Persona 5, WWE 2k17, Skylanders Imaginators, Just Dance 17, 18, Thief, Wolfenstein New Order, Watchdogs, Murdered Soul Suspect, Sniper Elite 3, Sherlock Holmes Crime and Punishment, Alien Isolation, Evil Within, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Far Cry 4, LBP3, The Crew, Forza Horizon 2...











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How many games do you want? If you are not going to count CoD or Fifa, what about games like Rise of the Tomb Raider (360 and XB1), AC Black Flag, Dead or Alive 5, Battlefield Hardline, Lego games (Jurassic World, Marvel Avengers, Force Awakens for example), MotoGP 15, that awful Godzilla game, Telltale games like Tales from the Borderlands, Life is Strange, Madden 16, MLB16, MGSv, Destiny of course, Transformers: Devastation, TMNT Mutants in Manhattan, Persona 5, WWE 2k17, Skylanders Imaginators, Just Dance 17, 18, Thief, Wolfenstein New Order, Watchdogs, Murdered Soul Suspect, Sniper Elite 3, Sherlock Holmes Crime and Punishment, Alien Isolation, Evil Within, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Far Cry 4, LBP3, The Crew, Forza Horizon 2...






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@rjejr How many games do you want? If you are not going to count CoD or Fifa, what about games like Rise of the Tomb Raider (360 and XB1), AC Black Flag, Dead or Alive 5, Battlefield Hardline, Lego games (Jurassic World, Marvel Avengers, Force Awakens for example), MotoGP 15, that awful Godzilla game, Telltale games like Tales from the Borderlands, Life is Strange, Madden 16, MLB16, MGSv, Destiny of course, Transformers: Devastation, TMNT Mutants in Manhattan, Persona 5, WWE 2k17, Skylanders Imaginators, Just Dance 17, 18, Thief, Wolfenstein New Order, Watchdogs, Murdered Soul Suspect, Sniper Elite 3, Sherlock Holmes Crime and Punishment, Alien Isolation, Evil Within, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Far Cry 4, LBP3, The Crew, Forza Horizon 2...

It was a lot more common in the first 18-24months after the release of the PS4/XB1. Even now, Just Dance 19 is coming to PS3 and XB360 in October - although this year, Fifa isn't coming to last gen so it looks like even the sports games have finally stopped cross-gen releasing.

There is more than likely going to be a cross-over phase for the PS4 and PS5 where a fairly decent quantity of titles - particularly 3rd party, will release 'cross gen'. 1st Party games may well be limited to PS5 to tempt people into upgrading but 3rd Party have no vested interest in getting you to upgrade - for them its all about selling to as many people as possible.

As we have seen already this gen, the games could be scaled right down to as low as 720/30 on base hardware which, considering the next gen will no doubt be 4k, is around a ninth (11.1%) the image size. I wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 is targeting 60fps too with VRR to minimise any issues with unlocked frame rates so games like this should scale up for PS5 (native 4k, higher visual settings, higher frame rates) or down to HD for PS4. Its obvious that the base PS4 should last longer than the XB1 - if Devs want to release as it has more 'headroom'.

Games that maybe much more CPU intensive on 'next gen' - those that are pushing the AI count and/or physics for example, may struggle on current gen but if the main target is native 4k/60, then it could scale down to current gen. Other things like Ray Tracing may also be an issue too but it depends on whether they build in 'alternatives' for those that can't use that technology. You would think that won't be the standard for a fair few years. It could be 2-3yrs after the release of 'next' gen consoles that games really won't run on current gen - no different from this gen. A lot of these games started development whilst this gen is current and the most likely thing to do is not scale down as much as they have to do for current gen - ie keep it native 4k, have a higher frame rate cap, have higher visual settings etc for PS5 over PS4 era






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"I've heard a number of people say that [it's a next-gen game]," quest designer Patrick Mills told . "The current console generation is what we're aiming for. We are aiming for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and of course PC as well," Mills clarified.






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"I've heard a number of people say that [it's a next-gen game]," quest designer Patrick Mills told . "The current console generation is what we're aiming for. We are aiming for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and of course PC as well," Mills clarified.






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